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RV Wiring


RV-Wiring-Schemat.gif, 40kB
RV-Wiring-Sch-Panels.gif, 6.3kB Each panel must have a diode to join the group. Any type of panel can join: you can mix and mach, multicyrstaline, mono, any voltage, any current capabilities. In fact, selective shadows and temperatures, will force all panels to be different in characteristics anyway. Also, reverse currents could be applied to arbitrary weaker panels during the day, and a very small reverse current would exist at night from the batteries. Diodes are a must. The down side is that they will get hot; just a law of nature. I have been operating this way for a few years with absolutely no problems at all here. Every panel is free to contribute according to its full ability.

Another important point:
Being an electrical Engineer, the question arrises: Why didn't you wire the panels in series to obtain less resistant losses in the cabling? You will have, for example, 100 volts and 1/5 the amperage losses. The main reason is one that is not known to non RVers. In a practical sense every RV campsite will have a shady spot, or a leaf on a pannel, or a dirty pannel, or a shadowed pannel from the AC or antenna. And the problem is only magnified in the early morning or late afternoon. If panels are wired in series, so much as ONE compromised pannel will kill TOTALLY the intire set of panels. My way is better in that if a pannel is down, the system is not in any way jeprodized. And besides, I don't believe in wiring losses.
RV-Wiring-Sch-Anal.gif, 11kB I have not shown all the switches here, but the main function is to short out the output of each or all solar panels to measure shorted current output. Each panel can be analized for performance.

Also in this section, I have not shown the small solar panel that is used for calibration. Also, I have not shown the audio amp used to listen to the solar panels. They do produce audio frequencies, and thus some interesting "sounds".
RV-Wiring-Sch-Control.gif, 9.5kB This is my controller. I designed it. And is probably better than any controller that can be purchased. It runs very very cool and efficiently. It analyzes incoming voltages, outgoing voltages, and the appropriate goals. It monitors internal component temperatures and external battery temperatures. It analyzes external battery voltage and final remote voltage at utilities. I can watch all its characteristics and watch it perform with a laptop if I choose. To be able to see was essential when I originally wrote the code for the controller.

This controller produces high current spikes. The solar common must be kept separate from other returns. My audio gear remains quite.

I have only shown the Remote Sense; But there is another set of lines coming from the Batteries back to the Controller.


RV-Wiring-Sch-Batt.gif, 5.8kB Don't allow currents in the RV frame. The frame is grounded in one, and only one, place. That place is conventionly only at the battery. This is true also for the Tow-Vehicle. This goes for tail lights and brakes too.


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I turned on some LED lights to measure the resistance of the two #6 cables comming from the batteries. Here are the readings before:

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Here the amp meter shows about 100 mA. And this is before I turn on more consumption. The voltage at the fuses is 13.45 volts, and on another meter it reads 13.44 volts and sometimes 13.45 volts.
Lt-VBattBefore1348.jpg, 11kB
The Batteries are slightly higher at 13.48 volts than the Utility fuses.
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Lt-AmpAfter500.jpg, 9.5kB Lt-V1After1345.jpg, 11kB Lt-V2After1345.jpg, 14kB
After turning on the lights, I can see they pull about 400mA, discounting the original 100mA. The voltages at the Utility Fuses do not really change much. Theoretically they HAVE to come down some. The voltage here IS being pulled down, but I can't really measure it because the Controller is pushing it back up.
Lt-VBattAfter1353.jpg, 10kB
But that is NOT what happens at the batteries! They do change. The voltage comes up to 13.53 volts. The Controller will push the batteries up to what ever it takes to hold the Fuses steady. In this case 0.05 Volts, 50mV.
Because the voltage to the batteries is being raised, there is an additional current penalty that ONLY goes to the batteries. So the lights pulled only 400mA, and it is not just a matter of replacing the 400mA into the batteries. The total increase in current to both the batteries and lights is about 800mA! This is a wonderful way to operate, because lead acid batteries are inefficient at charging. You always have to pump in more than you get out. And they are slow to take-in. So this method FORCES more in than expected.


Anyway, to see the resistance...
50mV/400mA is 0.125 ohms.

How reasonable is this considering the length of copper? #6 gauge at two runs from the batteries at 18 ft each is about .014 ohms.
20ft of #16 is .08 ohms for selectable metering. Which together is 0.1 ohm
I suppose it is reasonable considering all the connections, fuses, and such .

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Frame-Connect.jpg, 26kB
Further investigation shows that Springdale did not supply a white #6 wire from batteries to Fuses. The manufactorer instead grounded the batteries to the Frame only. Here with the blue crimp is a #6 white wire going to the frame and the emergency break-away brake. In between the two small black wires is a loosened 3/8 bolt showing rust and corrosion at the connection. In 15 or 20 years this connection will fail. The manufactorer is using the Frame as a wire. Before a failure accures - and just for accademics sake - What is the resistance of the Frame?
Frame-45mV12Amps.jpg, 17kB
To figure this, I went ahead and replaced the missing wire, and left one end disconnected to measure the voltage during this 18 feet of frame. Pulled the trigger on the soldering gun and read 0.045 volts on the new wire (around the frame), and read 11 amps of current (in the frame). Resistance is 0.045 volts divided by 11 Amps; or 0.0041 ohms. 0.0041 ohms in 18 feet of steel frame. Or 0.227 ohms per thousand feet.

OK, the steel frame is not bad. Now, my new #6 copper wire:
From wire charts, #6 Copper wire runs 0.395 Ohms per thousand. The copper wire is NOT as good! Dispite the fact that - resistance wise - utilizing the steel frame makes some sense, it is not worth it. Painfully clear in the picture, and from years of experiance, is rust under the connection. Also white corrosion on the connector. Also, while unscrewing the bolt, the wire was seen to be loose in the crimp. All of these things are a perfect cocktail for an "Intermittant". You do not want to experience one of these - because they are almost impossible to find.

It is good operating practise to run a dedicated wire along the length of the frame to its distination. Now, You will never have to stomp on the floor to get the lights to come back on.

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TowRecep.jpg, 16kB Tow-Plug-7WayTrailerEnd.jpg, 20kB
I ohmed out the RV plug. The black wire #4 pin goes directly to the RV battery. The Tow-Vehicle receptacle at pin #4 is "hot" all the time, even with the ignition key off! So, in an emergency, you can have your tow vehicle charge the RV battery just by having the RV plugged into the Tow-Vehicle. The vehicle's alternator will charge the RV batteries. The charging current looks limited because the delivery wires looks to be only about 12Gauge. And it has a long run: the length of the intire tow vehicle. You probably can not push more than 5 or 10 amps.
Also, conversely, the solar panels can charge the Tow-Vehicle. I never knew how seriously they were connected, and placing a diode or relay is series is not a wise idea, because you can not predict how you want to use the connection.

After I arrive at my destination, I always unhook. Even if the trailer is still physically connected at the hitch, I still reach down and pull the electrical plug. I don't want the two systems interfering with each other.

The practice of isolating and making the main battery sacred goes back to when I was dating girls. This is where I learned it: I had a tube radio that could drain a battery in no time. To add ambiance to an evening could mean a dead battery after the ambiance.

Out of dating experiences, and out of looking stupid, I made some changes: I had the normal battery to start and run the car, and another separate battery to run the tube radio and the CB and the ambiance. It solved the problem, and I had several pretty lights and switches to my dash to boot. I want to think that the glowing lights impressed the girls, but much dought lingers to this day. I don't think girls are into batteries.

In any case; No more bad dates due to this lame battery reason! Eleven o clock means eleven o clock! I had a list of excuses, and there were plenty of other reasons for not making the deadline, but a dead battery was not one of them. RULERMAR.GIF, 1.6kB


Frame-Selector.jpg, 22kB
Added a Marine Battery Selector
There is a red locking button to assure the copper strips inside are fully engaged. A partial engagement can cause heating or a fire. One must mount this switcher as close to the batteries as possible. And sense I mounted the switch near the bed, it must never be accidently knocked half way between positions. The red button prevents this. Big industrial switchers use a different method: They are spring loaded to accept only physical positions. But they are very hard to move. They can require a hundred pounds to move. And you hear and feel a sudden slam.
This little switcher, on the other hand, moves easily and smoothly. I took it apart: it has a spring for continuous contact pressure.
There is warning label to never switch "hot" or active loads. But I have switched well over 5 amps with no sticking or pitting with this switcher.


RV-Wiring-Iso.gif, 39kB
Here are the necessary modifications:


BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B Added Isolation Diodes in the charging of the batteries.

BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B Made a notation that the Springdale uses the frame for a wire. Labeled "Steel Frame Chassy" on the schematic.

BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B Added a selector switch. Not indicated in the schematic is the fact that the selector not only selects:
BBALLPUR.GIF, 880B Either battery, "A" or "B"
BBALLPUR.GIF, 880B but also select Both "A" and "B",
BBALLPUR.GIF, 880B and also select None, No batteries connected.


This last condition of "No-Batteries connected" is dangerous as the charger will produce spikes of 20 volts. There are large electrolytics on the utility side, but they should not be relied upon for safety; Instead turn off all Solar Panels, or turn off the Solar Charger. I have forgotten a couple of times, and all I felt was a mild shocking sensation to my skin. But no damage to electronics.


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ReaderBox.jpg, 23kB
Added a "Battery Reader Box"

The meter can read several things; most important the battery voltages independently.
At present there are two batteries. The top light, if lit, signifies that the #2 battery is being read. On the tongue this battery is on the left. The bottom light is for Battery #1, and it is shown as lit. Battery #1 is 13.46 volts.

The two switches at the extreem right are for Charging. As shown both batteries are being charged. They are always still charged through diodes. With the diodes, the charging switches can never connect the batteries directly together.
The switches have the same positions as the lights: top is #2, and bottom is #1.


RULERMAR.GIF, 1.6kB LED-Charge1p9.jpg, 23kB Each panel can be manipulated seperatly with switches. And even with only 1.9% solar input, there is enough power (above 12.6 volts) to charge batteries. The middle panel switch is deselected and is not loaded and is not contributing to charging. It is brighter.


RVWiring.gif, 44kB
I have made several mistakes and omissions on the schematic, and I would like to point those out now.


RVWiring-Gnds.gif, 12kB The grounds on the Metering Analyzer, and the ground on the Controller do NOT go to the Solar grounds. They of course are grounded with the rest of the Distribution Source Devices. Also, because the Remote senses the Common Distribution voltage, the ground will necessarily be of that same source.

Also, I had omitted the big electrolytics:


One on the Solar Panel Collected voltages. This reduces effective wiring distance and reduces wiring losses.

One on the Input to the Solar Controller. This also reduces wiring losses.

One on the output of the Controller.
Now this one will take some explanation, for it is hard to see.
After I installed the isolation diodes in the input of each battery, the circuit is not the same. When there is a charging pulse, the charging voltage at the output of the controller goes nearly to 20 volts. But in between pulses there is zero volts because of the isolation diodes. And zero volts is NOT the voltage of the batteries! Before I installed the diodes, and inbetween pulses, the voltage was simply the rest voltage of the batteries. The battery voltage would feed back to the controller, where it was read by the microprocessor. The microprocessor needs to know what the battery voltage is to safely operate the FETs. Namely: If the battery voltage is more than the Solar voltage the FETs can not safely be turned onn. After one active pulse, and during the rest phase, the electrolytic allows the Microprocessor to quickly measure the Battery voltage. Actually, the measurement is about 0.5 volts, diode step, higher than the true battery voltage, but that is close enough.

Batt1-Charge29.jpg, 16kB At the batteries, the charging spike only rises about 50 mV. And the duration here is 60 mS. During pulse off times the battery voltage slowing decays down. It too does not change much: perhaps another 50 mV. Both the pulse and decay hardly change a total of 0.1 volts when added together.


Diode6081StripClose.jpg, 26kB Another change:
Brought all panel Diodes off of the hot roof to down below where it is cooler.
Diode6081Strip.jpg, 16kB Here I am placing all Diodes together on a strip. They will no longer be under each solar panel.
So here is the new change in the schematic...
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Installed Diodes
RV-Wiring-Sol.gif, 44kB
Here is a closer view. The LED indicators light irregardless of switches. Also - and not shown on the schematic - is that all these indicators have a 12 volt zener in series. So they do not even begin to light untill voltage surpasses a viable charge value of 12v.


Made some changes...

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The main change is the addition of a "POST REGULATOR". I have been thinking about this for a while. I did not know if I could EASILY build a 12 volt regulator that could handle about 18 Amps without getting warm. I could, and I did. The output runs between 12.02 volts and 12.04 volts. Runs cool at 12 Amps. The advantages are many:

BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B Every day, there are periods of automatic battery equalization. The voltages go to 15.2 volts. This is otherwise dangerous to all the electrons, including the refrigerator and inverter. The inverter lists 15 volts as dangerous, and it is the upper shutdown voltage.

BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B 12 Volts makes the furnace run more efficiently than 12.6 volts. The current is 7.5 amps and represents a significant savings.

BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B All of the 5 volt regulators in the control system run cooler, fed from 12.02 volts rather than from 13.5 volts.

BBALLBLU.GIF, 139B I have discrete LEDs in the coach that have grown dim after a couple of years. Without dedicated LED drivers or constant currents this could happen. ...And it did. This post regulator should fix the problem.


RULERMAR.GIF, 1.6kB I updated the schematic to more clearly show the distinct electrical areas of an RV:

BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B The Solar Collection Area. The Solar panels go on the roof, and that location is determined. A designated area is needed to Collect that power. For me, that power comes down the refrigerator vent. Individual lines are collected at the closest point after entry into the coach. Here individual panels can be read and tested.

BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B A Controller is necessary, and for me, it must be visible and adjustable. Mine is above the bed. It drives the batteries, and must be as close to the batteries as possible to keep wiring losses down.

BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B The Batteries or Battery Banks. This includes battery switching. Switching must be very close to the batteries.

BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B The Post Controller or Post Regulator.
This is what I just added. This is necessarily at the RV's DISTRIBUTION CENTER. Here are return busses, and fuses. Here I also have a way to measure current consumption after the batteries.


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Here is the Solar Controller. It is capable of 18 amps times 4. The are four regulators inside. At the moment of the picture, only about an amp is going into battery float and to RV utility usage. The yellow light indicates that Battery One is being used for RV utilities.

Now that middle meter I am going to explain:
In the past, one of the regulators fed the RV Utilities DIRECTLY. It had Remote Sense and could regulate the utilities withen a few millivolts. But now with a POST-REGULATOR, there is no longer a need for a direct drive to the utilities. So at the moment, the middle switch is thrown and Utility drive is disconnected. But the meter still reads the utility voltage of 12.04 volts.


RULERMAR.GIF, 1.6kB I have added more solar panels.


CollectionPanel_20171006.jpg, 39kB Here is the Solar Collection Panel...
I have not properly labeled the switches yet.
BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B Switch 1: 100 Watt Panel
BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B Switch 2: 80 Watt Panel
BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B Switch 3: Combined 50, 30, 10 Watt Panels
BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B Switch 4: 100 Watt Panel
BBALLYEL.GIF, 154B Switch 5: 100 Watt Panel


The enunciator knob adjusts the volume of the vocalizations from all autonomous RV devices. All my devices that I have ever invented can talk. The Solar Sounds are pre-set in volume, but come through the same amp and speaker.

The Solar Flux is 27% percent.

The RV Utility voltage is 12.00 volts. It seems to vary slightly. Lately, it is usually 12.02 or 12.01 depending on inside RV temperature.
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